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Karena Aku Bukan Objek Seksmu!

Posted on: September 12, 2007

One of the reasons why Islam is perceived as a traditional religion by the Western society is because they think Islam oppresses Muslim women too much. People in the West think that women in Muslim society are just second-class people whose presence is just to please Muslim men: men are Imams therefore they are the absolute leaders, men know things better than women, and men are much stronger while women are so weak. Men are simply the winners!

burqa.jpgWhen people in the West knew that there was a regime called Taliban in Afghanistan that forced women to wear burqas they just couldn’t believe it, they started to blame Islam for its traditional and anti-modernization teaching. Most feminists agree that burqa is a symbol of women’s slavery caused by men’s arrogance. While a man should grow his beard, which seems to be so easy for Western feminists, a Muslim woman in Afghanistan had to cover all her body with no excuse under the Taliban regime. I’m not a fan of women in burqas myself, I mean, look at the two women on the picture above, do you think that is the kind of clothing we should tell our wives and daughters to wear?

But Western feminists don’t stop there because they also think that the common Islamic women’s clothing is no different from burqa, it just keeps Muslim women from being free and independent. Western feminists don’t agree with the Islamic concept of women’s clothing that claims it is intended to protect women from having a disgrace in the society. Basically, A Muslim woman is encouraged to wear clothes that cover all her body except her hands and face: for me the use of burqa is a joke.

Of course it is hard for people in the West to understand and accept the concept of women’s clothing in Islam when they think beautiful women should look like this:

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In a sex-driven world, as a friend of mine told me, physical elements are all that matter. Having a big house and some fancy cars is definitely very important, so it is not a big surprise that being sexy is something that every woman wants to be: no wonder plastic surgery is getting more popular every day in the West as more and more women would like to have bigger breasts and skinnier bodies.

The idea behind jilbab, as Indonesians say it, is that Islam gives women a choice to avoid themselves from being objects of sex. If you don’t really like the argument then please tell me what is the reason for a modern woman to wear sexy clothes. If you think the reason that a woman wants to look sexy is just because she wants to look beautiful, you are not completely wrong. But, who defines beauty? In this sex-driven world, it is sad to say that men have the so-called authority to define who’s beautiful and who’s not. It is men, not women themselves, who want to see women in bikinis, right?

In Indonesia we have this famous celebrity Ineke Koesherawati who seems to be everyone’s favorite. She is a beautiful woman and she has a smile that will melt a guy’s heart in a second. She wears jilbab everywhere she goes and she wears jilbab in every sinetron she plays, jilbab is her true identity. She is a role model for thousands of Indonesian Muslim girls, and I’m sure you will see a lot of her in this coming ramadhan. But, for you who don’t really know her you might be surprised to know that Ineke Koesherawati was once a “Bom Seks,” a term that Indonesians use for an actress who exploits her body sexually to attract audience. Check some of her movie titles in the past: Diskotik DJ, Gadis Metropolis, Gairah yang Nakal, Kenikmatan Tabu, Ranjang Ternoda, and Bebas Bercinta. If you see her right now you will have a difficult time trying to figure it out how the hell she could play in such movies. I tried so hard to find a picture of hers in the past, you know with all the sexy clothes, but somehow I couldn’t get one. So, as a replacement I put a picture of Jessica Alba below who was nominated as the 2007 sexiest woman in the planet. I want you to compare the two pictures of Ineke and Jessica, and tell me what you have in mind when you see those two pictures.

jessica-alba.jpgRemember, I mentioned earlier that the basic concept of Islamic women’s clothing is to give women a second choice to avoid themselves from being objects of sex. Men who see these two pictures have to be honest, which picture gives you more pleasure sexually? If you are normal, I’m sure you will admit that picture of Jessica Alba has the ability to get you aroused in some ways. The Western society may want to argue, especially the Liberals, that the world has changed. The Western society, who is so proud of its modern accomplishments, seems to have their own theory on this matter and for them religions may not be part of it. They claim that if a group of people have to follow too many restrictions in life, it will end up being an uncivilized society, a disabled society full of hypocrites. And they actually have a point, look at how many countries who claim that they are religious nations but at the same time they have a high rape rate. But Islamic clerics have their own argument saying that too much of everything is not good, they complain that life has limits, “In the past sex was a taboo, but now you have proud gays and lesbians, you even have some nudist sects. What next?”

nun.jpgI think the Western society puts too much pressure to Islam on this issue, I believe they should be wiser. The reason for me to say that is because the kind of clothing that Islam encourages women to wear is not something new for Western society, a Christian-dominated society, after all. In Roman Chatolics they have nuns or sisters who profess the perpetual solemn vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience. These nuns can’t get married and they have to sacrifice all their material desires for Jesus. In case you don’t know how nuns dress, I already put a picture showing how a nun should dress. The original clothing of a nun doesn’t allow her to show all her body except her face and hands, and if you say that you’ve seen some nuns wearing moderate-short skirts then they are just a variety due to cultural changes and other things. Therefore, for me it’s not supposed to be a big joke for people in the West when they know Islam tells its female followers to cover up their bodies in so-called Arabic way. If Christianity thinks that its holy women should wear clothes that cover all their bodies, then I think it is not a bizarre thing for Islam, which claims to be a religion to perfect two earlier religions (Christianity and Judaism), to instruct women to wear veils or jilbab.

The main problem lies on how two sides see this issue and provide their arguments. Islam thinks that Islamic-women’s clothing actually protects women from being dependent to what men want, Islam argues that being beautiful in the heart is much more important than just being beautiful from the outside. On the other hand, critics of Islam think that jilbab or Muslim veil is a symbol of women’s oppression, it is a tool for men not to let women be creative and independent. But, which women who actually have more freedom? The ones with bikinis or the ones with Muslim veils?

I admire your dedication, your pride, and your inner beauty. I want you to be proud of what you believe, and I want you to shout these words to the world, “Karena aku bukan objek seksmu!”

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68 Responses to "Karena Aku Bukan Objek Seksmu!"

Guebukanmonyet, you leave me breathless; a really magnificent article! I can not argue with this differentiating and really fair and subtle approach to this, once more, touchy subject. I almost totally agree with you.

(Well, maybe I should add I do not think our world is mainly sex driven. What about money? Or power?)

Ah, and to answer your last question: the most smart, fascinating and beguiling women I know of [apart from my wife and daughter ( s in law) of course] are Gong Li, Simone de Beauvoir and Catherine Deneuve. No nudity or veils involved.

Thanks Mr. Colson, I appreciate it. I was surprised to know that you’re not irritated by this article, you know, considering the country you are from :) I agree money and power are other things dominating people’s minds. I’d say we’re living in a money-sex-power-driven world, really. Indeed, fascinating women, and as you said no veils needed. For your information, I don’t think I’m ready to have a woman with a veil right now, I’m a sinful person.

Ok.. my comment might be super duper OOT :D

Cuma aku penasaran, kalo wanita bercadar gitu gimana kalo disekolah ya ? Apa gurunya ga bingung , coz everyone looks the same :D

*sudah saya bilang ini OOT :P

Well, kayaknya perempuan2 bercadar gak ada yang mau sekelas dengan para pria. So, di kelas cadarnya bisa dibuka, benar kan? Hehe.

nice one monyet..
like colson, I almost totally agree with you, just want to add/ask some points..

I, once, took a course named Islamic culture and civilizations, and my professor, who used to live in Pakistan, brought some veils and burqas and let some Japanese students to wear it..
you guess what was happening after they wear burqas? Most of the people in the class laughed out loud as if those who wear burqas can win the-funniest-and-the-most-ridiculous-clothing contest.. probably, they have to read this article of yours to enlighten their understanding of Islam..

anyway, you said to wear a veil is a choice, so what do you think about parents who force their daughters to wear it? it happens everywhere in Indonesia right? CMIIW..

moreover, what do you think about women who wear veil but also wear skinny jeans and baju sangat ketat? if the point of wearing it is to protect themselves, why should they wear skinny jeans and baju sangat ketat..

no offense loh monyet, heheh..

PS: check your inbox, Abi Bakar has a message for you..

An extremely well-done piece. You’ve raised a very important issue in our society. The status of women in this world is a universal idea, and I think you’ve profoundly opinioned your thoughts. However, if you can summarize your main argument what would it be? It seems like you’re hating the fact that Islamic women are oppressed, yet at the same time, you’re also complaining about Westerners’ effort to ‘liberate’ them.

My first criticism derives from this following sentence: “People in the West think that women in Muslim society are just second-class people whose presence is just to please Muslim men…” This is a very bold statement. First of all, by using people, it seems like you’re making a generalization, which is fine. However, you have to at least support your generalization with evidence. By using people, you’re implying that most Westerners think that way. Do you really think four out of five Westerners do perceive women in Muslim society as second-class people whose presence is just to please men? What I’m getting at is that it seems like you portray Westerners as a group of people who denigrate Islamic women. Yes, they are aware about the status of Islamic women. However, I don’t think most of Westerners think that women are ‘second-class’ people, instead of a ‘victim’ of a particular belief.

Second of all, you’re making a parallel between Islamic women and Western women by saying that they are both dominated by powerful men. To some extent, I agree. Men do play powerful role in influencing women. However, I don’t think it’s fair to say that the case is parallel. The main thing that differentiates between the two cultures is choice. Islamic women do not have the liberty to choose what they wear, because in their mind, if they wear something un-Islamic, they go to hell. Contrariwise, if a Western women choose not to follow the ‘bikinis’ of fashion, the only hell that they’ll be going to is perhaps the I’m-not-trendy hell. So you end your piece by saying: “But, which women who actually have more freedom?” This is not a hard question to answer, my friend.

Moreover, when you say the fact that Western people or the feminists want to ‘Westernize’ the Islamic women is giving too much pressure, I find it funny that you use bikini as a weapon of comparison. It’s like you’re saying: “Islamic women, liberate yourself, undress the burqas, and wear a bikini!” I don’t think that is what they are encouraging. Choice is the crux of their argument. The Westerners are encouraging Islamic women to choose what they wear; they’re not encouraging them to be ‘sex bombs’ by going to the mall using bikinis. The day that Indonesian girls start wearing bikinis to public places such as malls, restaurants, and libraries would be pronounced as our second independence after August 1945, but also the day where most guys would suffer from ‘blue balls’, right boys?

Anyways, a very good piece. You should keep writing these kinds of pieces. It’s hard to find people who write from their heart these days. I look forward to read your next one. If you’re kind enough, do write in English. Thanks!

Yuki: Well, of course it is hard for people from other cultures to understand the concept of Islamic women’s veil when they are brainwashed that beautiful girls are supossed to be sexy and hot. But, as I mentioned on the article, I don’t agree with the use of burqa, it’s not Islamic.

Mmh, it’s hard to judge parents who “force” their daugthers to wear Muslim veils, it might look like an encouragement if one sees it from another point of view. It’s like this: your parents force you to go to college while you feel like working after high school, is that wrong?

Yeah, that’s ironic. If one wears veil yet at the same time she also wears tight jeans and very sexy shirt, then the use of veil may be useless. But of course, it is very relative, especially for young girls who want to look fashionable when they wear their veils. For me, it’s still ok as far as it’s not too extreme.

Abi Bakar has a message for me? Wich inbox, I don’t see it in my e-mail. Best regards for him.

Thank you for bringing up your ideas.

Journos: First of all, welcome.

You said: “However, I don’t think most of Westerners think that women are ‘second-class’ people, instead of a ‘victim’ of a particular belief.” What’s the difference between being the second-class people and victims? I assume being the so-called victims might as well put them as the second-class people. When we talk about people and cultures, we can’t avoid ourselves from stereotypes. Example, it is true that not all Black Americans are bad, I’ve sseen lots of nice Black Americans. But it is true that black people are depicted on the movies as the ones with guns and drugs, and it is true that the crime rate of black community is high. So, it is not a bizarre thing that a tourist coming to America would be happier to talk to a white guy than to a black person. Of course not every person in the West thinks that Muslim women are second-class people but I personally believe that most of them think so. The evidence is clear. You can see it on the books their read, TV programs they watch, and everything.

It is hard to compare relgious values and material values, sometimes when you do it you will find a hard time trying to figure out the relevancies. But if you think about it, what’s the reason for a women to dress sexy? I mean real sexy clothes. You see, the thing is Liberal and secular people have a different kind of freedom, a kind which is mostly driven by material attributes. While religions including Christianity always have the different kind of freedom, the one with an opposite idea.

Well, I never said feminists want to westernize Muslim women. My reason saying that the West is giving too much pressure to Islam is that they make Muslim women as a joke. They laugh at these women who wear Muslim veils as if they were clowns and retarded people. But, if you see an idea from my article depicting the so-called westernization by feminists, I won’t object. But don’t see the feminist movement in a shallow point of view, I agree that feminist don’t encourage Muslim women to wear bikinis, but Western feminism is conducted in many ways. Look at the kind of movies they want Muslim girls to watch, in that case, they’re really saying, “Islamic women, liberate yourself, undress the burqas, and wear a bikini!”

Thank you for the discussion. I’ll try to write more in English. Do you mind sharing a little bit about yourself in your next comment?

God bless.

On second thought I would like to make a marginal note. You may have put a little too much emphasis on the influence of western feminism.

Just for the record – I don’t think feminism is about trivial issues. Neither overzealous people like Ayaan Hirsi Ayaan are representative for feminism at large.

Female Muslim authors like Pariza Hafeze (Iran) and Nawal el-Sadaawi ( Egypt) and by the personal accounts by for instance Zama Muhsde (English but married at fifteen to a fifty year old man in Yemen) and Betty Mahmo0dy (a US citizen who married a man from Iran) do tell the real story.

These are stories are not funny at all. They don’t make jokes. They are not about veils or bikini’s. These women fight female submission. They claim the right to be independent. The mainstream western feminism primarily wants to support their struggle.

Yes, I agree. The instruction of veil in Islam has been largely manipulated by many Muslim men. It is a sad truth. While this article tries to explain a brief reason why Islam tells women to wear veils, at the same time I can’t deny the truth that there are extremists who use veil as a symbol to legalize their oppressive actions on women.

For me, veil is not a symbol of women’s oppression, veil on the other hand frees women. But, the kind of veil that’s Islamic enough or not is something we should discuss more. Burqa is not on the list though, for me.

You are right growing beard and wearing burqa doesnt make any one muslim..Woman has all rights to what she needs to wear, wearing Bikins and low cut dresses is to arouse opposite sex.We know 2 days back South west airlines made a gurl to get down from the flight as she was not wearing in descent way…I dont understand why gurls wear so low shorts.and men wear knee size Bermuda’s in USA.I would give the freedom to my wife to dress as she likes, as long it is islamic.But sometimes it looks stupid to see some gurl who wear half cladded burqa and half hair covered scarf.Oh, man famous Ineke Koesherawati looks great,better then all Indian actress I know..Let me do a google search about her…

This is a breathtaking article, Tasa. I’m so proud of you. You writing is so sharp and heartful. It’s apparent that you have tremendous talent.

In many ways, your arguments seem quite true and they make a lot of sense. Above all, I truly believe that beauty comes from within.

@Zulfi: With all due respect, you made me smile when I read: “I would give freedom to my wife to dress as she likes…”. It is like you are saying husbands hold their wives’ custody. Well, probably you din’t mean it that way at all.

But in case you do, you amazed me. I can not understand why any woman would accept that kind of macho attitude from any man anno 2007.

@Colson, thank you for seeing the world from a female’s perspective. :)

Btw, jd inget kata dosen E-Commerse-ku;
Orang yg pake jilbab itu menjalankan suatu hal yg sudah menjadi pilihannya. pilihan atas keyakinannya. dan dia merasa nyaman dengan apa yg dia pilih. kita gak boleh ngejudge apa pun yg mereka kenakan. begitu pula halnya dgn org2 yg berbikini, bertank top. itu adalah busana yg mereka pilih. dan mereka nyaman. kita gak boleh ngejudge mereka sama halnya kita gak ngejudge org yg berjilbab.

Hmmm, Objek Sex atau apa pun itu untuk orang yg berbikini. atau mungkin anggapan simbol perbudakan wanita utk wanita2 bercadar. berdasarkan argumen dosenku itu, what do u think Mr. Tasa?

Zulfi: I tried to give a comment on your blog, but it doesn’t allow non-blogspot users to do so. Anyway, thanks for the input. Yeah, Inneke is a great role model for Muslim girls, have you checked her out yet?

Jennie: Mba Jennie, thanks you so much for the support, I appreciate it. I still owe you one thing, the one you suggested me to do. I strongly agree with your idea that the real beauty comes from within, if only every one could understand.

Colson: I think he didn’t mean it that way. Your wife might as well say to you, “I’ll always let you watch any games on TV.”

Nieke: Interesting. If you see it that way, you are right. Remember this old saying, “Don’t judge a book from its cover.” What people like to wear is like what people like to eat. Example, you have a friend who loves to eat jengkol while you hate it so much. Now, can you blame your friend to like that food? I don’t think so, although you might have thousands of reasons why your friend shouldn’t like it. :)

I agree with Nieke, we women can wear whatever we choose to wear based on our beliefs and situations. And well said, Tasa. I personally believe that beauty (and so-called “sexiness”) comes from within. We men and women must do things with a lot of class and dignity to earn such privilege.

Tasa, you don’t owe me anything, you owe it to yourself. :)

Whehe, Yes, I know Mba. Thank you.

@guebukanmonyet: I allow only guys who have gmail to leave comments…Any way I will soon allow everyone to comment..
She looks like Indonesian-Saudia FA….
@colson: I had stayed in 4 countries with different culture,I had seen burqas to bikinis..so I had decided to allow my future wife what ever she wears, as long it is islamic.

Yo Tas, Awis told me about your blog. This is a well-written article indeed.

I’d like to throw my two bits on this issue. I guess it depends on how a women is raised. I believe that the main enforcer is the most influential culture that surrounds a particular woman. In a Taliban dominated country like Afghanistan, a woman has been told from her childhood that wearing a burqa is a must and she will definitely go to hell for not doing so. Do you think they would go straight from burqa to bikini even after the Taliban regime was overthrown ?

I also believe that choice plays important role in determining how women dress. A woman who was born in America might still wear a burqa because she choses to strictly follow fundamental Islamic teaching. However, the chance of something like that could actually happen, well I must say close to zero.

Furthermore, when you say “people in the west”, do you mean white people who were born in the west or people in the west who do not follow Islamic teaching ?
I have a friend of Arab origin who was born here in the states. She is a moslem but she wears what most American women wear (tanks, bikini, etc). Do you still consider her as a westerner ?

Anyway, good job Tas. Keep it coming!

Zulfi: I think she’s pure Indonesian, but not really sure. You like her huh? Hehe.

Aron: Hi bro, thanks for visiting my blog :)
I support your idea, it really depends on how a person is raised in the family, and we always have to use this old saying, “Don’t judge a book from its cover.”

Well, of course Afghan women shouldn’t wear bikinis just because Taliban doesn’t rule anymore, that would be too extreme. Yes, it’s true that people have choices in life, but that could be a tricky one sometimes. The reason for that is because this kind of question might arise, “How far can people have the right to choose?”

For me “people in the West” could be anybody who has the same way of thinking as people in Western society in general. Of course, you will find white people who have completely different ideas on Islam and Eastern values. But, when we talk about people and cultures, we can’t avoid ourselves from generalizations and stereotypes.

Thanks bro :)

from oprah winfrey show:
Oprah: What we’re trying to do on this show today is to bring about an understanding of what it’s like to be Muslim in the world, and what is Islam. I think there’s a lot of confusion. You’re very westernized, and then we see women wearing the hoods, the burqas and the hijabs. What makes one acceptable, and the other not? Are you accepted in your country not wearing the scarves? What does the scarf represent?

Queen Rania: I’d really like to commend you for having Islam as the subject of your show. I think this is the right time to reach out and have this open, ongoing dialogue about different religions.

[Just] like in Christianity, there are different interpretations of Islam, and there are different degrees of conservatism. It’s a personal choice. Some people are more conservative than others. The important thing is the spirit of Islam. That is all about tolerance, about doing good, diversity, quality, and human dignity.

The fact that Islam is very tolerant means that it doesn’t impose anything on other people. You are supposed to behave in a certain way, or dress in a certain way out of conviction, not because somebody imposes their own ideology on you. I believe one’s relationship with God, and how one chooses to practice religion, is an intensely personal choice.

Oprah: So you as an individual choose whether or not you want to be robed or not robed, or wear your head covered or not? That’s not imposed upon you by your religion?

Queen Rania: In our country, that is what we believe. We give women the choice to wear the headscarf or not. It’s a personal choice. As I said, it is not the state that is supposed to impose on individuals what they believe in. That is their own personal choice.

Oprah: Are you a practicing Muslim?

Queen Rania: Yes, very much so. Muslims are required to pray five times a day. We fast the holy month of Ramadan, which is, I guess, equivalent to Lent in Christianity. We are meant to give to charity. Once in our lifetime, we have to make a pilgrimage to the holy site of Mecca. These are the basic principles and practices of Islam. But more importantly, Islam is about spiritual fulfillment, about morals, about trying to purify your soul. That is something that has to be very much emphasized.

Oprah: What is life like for Muslim women in Jordan? I think we all have a misinterpretation that the women wearing the robes are dominated by men, that the women don’t have a voice of their own. Is any part of that true?

Queen Rania: In Jordan, women lead a very free life. We find the level of education for men and women in Jordan is equal. We have women who participate in the business sector, in government, in the armed forces, in the police force, women judges. They’re very much free to choose what kind of life they want to lead. The lives that they lead here are very similar to those that you see in other countries in the world.

That is not to say that they don’t have challenges, but I think that the challenges that women face in Jordan are very similar to those that you see in other countries in the world, particularly developing countries. The obstacles that they face are more social or cultural hindrances. Women in our part of the world have to be encouraged to be more confident, to voice their concerns, to fight for their legal rights, and to do what the women in the States and in Europe did: try to gain their rights by voicing their concerns and fighting for them

-both of them are so inspirational-
and maybe some of u wanna check this in how to dress without burqa http://fashionesedaily.com/blog/2007/09/13/muslim-friendly-fashion/
it hit the europe too

Thank you, I’m sure people will benefit from that. I can tell that Queen is a smart person. I like this part: “Yes, very much so. Muslims are required to pray five times a day. We fast the holy month of Ramadan, which is, I guess, equivalent to Lent in Christianity. We are meant to give to charity. Once in our lifetime, we have to make a pilgrimage to the holy site of Mecca. These are the basic principles and practices of Islam. But more importantly, Islam is about spiritual fulfillment, about morals, about trying to purify your soul. That is something that has to be very much emphasized.”

Very well written piece.

I just want to comment that people in the Western do not think that women’s presence in Muslim society is simply just to please men. As a person who lives in the West, the way I see it is that they understand that there is a huge barrier between the men and women, men are viewed as stronger than women, superior than women, but then again, gender gap is everywhere in the world, not just in Muslim society.

I still don’t get where you stand on the argument. are you pro burqas or no?Yes you did say you can’t marry a woman with a burqa because you’re a sinful person, but do you actually supports its use?

Also, I don’t think that Westerners make a big joke out of the Muslim women’s clothes. Western countries, especially USA, are integrated in terms of culture, that something that might have been extraordinary 10 years ago is not so extraordinary now. my interpretation on this issue is they probably just wonder what burqa is, why it is so important for Muslims and the function of it, without giving any sign of negativity. If you by any chance ever ran into someone that made a nasty comment about wearing a burqa, no matter how liberal Westerners are on controversial issues, then they are simply just narrow minded, ignorant people, and that type of people exist everywhere.

Well, my idea on how Western people see women in Islam is indeed debatable. Especially when we have to use the word “West” for a certain group of people, but for me “West” is of course not just America but also most of European countries.

A very good question, some of my friends have asked the same kind of question too. But, I have to make myself clear that I’m don’t support the use of burqa at all, burqa is not an Islamic veil for me. Now, whether or not I support the use of Islamic veil is something very tricky to answer. Of course I do, but it doesn’t mean that I’m pointing my finger at women who don’t wear veils as sex objects which might require another explanation, I don’t think I’m going to discuss it now. Thanks for the inspiring comment :)

Yes, indeed. I mean, the concept of burqa is not so bad after all, it’s just how people interpret the meaning behind it. Good job, Tas.

Well, you might see it from a different perspection. I agree, let’s not judge a book from its cover. Thank you for your support :)

hummm… gw sbg wanita berpendapat, mestinya adalah hak wanita klo mereka mau berpakaian seperti apa. gw ga suka klo dipaksa harus gini gitu.

tp gw tetep berpendapat, emang wanita harus jaga auratnya. gw sih ga ikhlas klo cwo bisa ngeliat bagian2 tubuh gw. nggak banget.
apalagi ada tuh iklan yg intinya bilang “klo tubuh lo mulus, ya tunjukkin aja..” wah..propaganda yg menyebalkan.

hmm…seru ah artikel2nya tasa :D

Setuju sich kalau seharusnya wanita diberi kebebasan untuk memilih, tapi merupakan sifat agama untuk “membatasi” manusia.

Thanks for the support :)

Quote: “The idea behind jilbab, as Indonesians say it, is that Islam gives women a choice to avoid themselves from being objects of sex. ”

Yes, the question is about choice. But then, there is a deeper question which most people choose not to see: the value of women and how this value is interpreted by others, men and women alike.

Why not asking the other half of the world’s population to change their interpretation on what women is? Who assigned women as sex-object? I would think men should be the right answer. Your excellent article would be much better if you also consider to critizise how society (or should I sa, again, men) regard women, partially, as sex-object.

Yes, I agree…women should not MAKE themselves as sex-object. But then, men SHOULD NEVER consider women as sex-object in the first place.

If I take your line of thought (similar to many that I heard over and over again), jilbab is the way for women to gain respect for themselves, as you said, by avoiding themselves to be perceived as sex-object.

How sad? Don’t you think women should be respected regardless to whatever clothing they wear?

Your line of thought can easily be assimilated to those who tend to “forgive” sexual crime by saying that it is the women’s fault in making themselves so attractive and sexy and the one who committed the crime should not be the one solely to be condemned as they just cannot help it. Again, it is the fault of women for the flaws of men. (An age-old reasoning back to Adam and Eve) How tragic!

Please do not regard my comment as supporting sexy-looking appearence. For me, and I believe many feminists, not that I consider myself as one, using physical attraction is condescending for women themselves.

But I do against the line of thought which support the idea that women should be judged, or worse respected, by how they look. Human rights over acknowledgement and respect is beyond religion or fashion.

@pipit: Great! You’re quite right.

(Btw: I did not notice, I can not notice, the serious flaws in guebukanmonyet’s article you obviously see).

Pipit, thank you for sharing. For me that’s not flaw at all, I call it life. You said, “Why not asking the other half of the world’s population to change their interpretation on what women is? Who assigned women as sex-object? I would think men should be the right answer.” Yeah, why don’t we do that? But you see, the sexual desire is something that has kept this life going, imagine if all men didn’t have any sexual desire on women? I mean, don’t you think that would be a catastrophe?

Religions were brought into the world as law and regulations, especially Islam. Religions tell us what to do and no to do, I think that’s a pretty easy explanation to absorb. Even an atheist agrees that a society should be governed by a certain system consisting of regulations. I support that women should be respected regardless what they wear, but that doesn’t mean that they can wear anything they want, and not just women but men too. In life, you have a dress code for a certain event where you have to wear a particular kind of clothes. You wouldn’t wear a short skirt to go to a pengajian, right? Now, if you see a woman wearing a very sexy dress in a pengajian will you still think that the woman should be respected regardless to what she’s wearing?

The misleading part on this issue is that women are not put as victims.

@guebukanmonyet: Allow me to respond.

What I mean by flaw is the situation in which men give in to sexual desire and commit an indecency. As I explain, in this context, women, tragically, sometimes are not regarded as merely the victim but they are perceived to be guilty as they appear to sexy. For this, it is the women’s fault for men’s flaw (his incapability to resist to his lust and commit an indecent act) .

Besides, I would make the difference between sexual desire and lust. Yes, sexual desire is part of life, but lust and any indecent assault and disrespect resulting from it cannot be approved as merely being part of life. Plus, I have respect for men and believe that men are not merely driven by sexual desire.

Sexual desire cannot also be an approval for regarding women as sex-object. Regarding women as sex object will mean regarding women as merely passive recipient of sexual act, that they do not have anything to say on the matter and that men may do whatever they wish to them as the latter being merely an object. This line of thought is behind the act of rape over women in defenseless situation like the one happens to household servant (you may want to check Human Rights Watch report on the issue), gang-rape in Pakistan for example (Mukhtar Mai story is one of the most covered by media), or marital rape.

No, women are not sex-object. Having sexual desire on women does not approve and should not forgive any indecent act or disrespect toward women with reasoning that the women wear a-too-revealing outfit.

I believe in the context of men and women relation, woman is sexual partner and should never be a sex-object. There are important differences between partner and object.

Yes, religion can be interpreted as mean of control. But then, don’t you think religion does not only control of how women cover themselves to avoid the label of sex-object, but ALSO assign control to men not to give in to his sexual desire? In principal it is not that I disagree with you, but I believe you only get half of the story.

You may wish to ask women to put more “proper” clothes, but then you also need to ask men to think of women more properly. By not changing men’s mind-set on women and still regarding them as sex-object, jilbab will not protect women from molestation, for example (I happen to know a friend who is wearing jilbab and got molested on the street). If men respect women for what they are and not simply by what she is wearing, there won’t be hands grabbing bosom or bottom just because they look too-revealing.

As for women wearing mini skirt to pengajian, I think there is misunderstanding here. My comment was meant for a general context, as a response to your article which has also a general context. I did not say that women should wear mini skirt to pengajian.

In this situation, if you choose, you may not respect the act of stupidity and ignorance. In the meantime, I believe, one cannot give less respect to women who chose not to wear jilbab in a general context or consider them as “uncovered meat” (a controversial statement by one Muslim cleric in Australia, you may want to see: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/6086374.stm) Again, respect is beyond religion and fashion.

I agree with you that women should seek self-fulfilment beyond creating men’s sexual desire, but then I also wish men to see women beyond the object of sexual desire.

Lastly, I don’t think I quite understand what you mean by “The misleading part on the issue is that women are not put as victims.”

I apologize for the lengthy comment.

@colson: I didn’t say that there was a flaw in guebukanmonyet’s article. I believe I have explained it in my comment above.

Please forgive my arrogance for having the nerve to say:

@pipit: I cann’t but agree with your comment. It is all together correct and complementary to the article. But most of all it is a pleasure reading it because of the quality of your reasoning.
@guebukanmonyet: The two of you match each other in these recent exchange of comments. Because both of you are really up to each other. In my opinion this is the kind of discussion one is looking for in the Indonesian context.

Pipit: Thanks for the insightful comment. I agree with your opinion that religions also tell what men should do, including to control their sexual desire. This article was not intended to see the issue from that point of view.

The reason why I gave such an example is because that’s how religions explain issues in life, a religion always gives the extreme positive example and the extreme negative example. In this case, women are told to wear veils and women shouldn’t wear revealing clothes, but yet women could still wear proper clothes (not veils) to be able to avoid themselves from being objects of sex.

When I said “the misleading part on the issue is that women are not put as victims,” it goes along with your idea, the thing is women are not put as victims of men’s sexual arrogance, right?

It’s ok, you should have written more.

halo tasa, numpang komen ya :)

tentang jilbab hmmm….dulu sewaktu blm berjilbab atau tepatnya berbusana muslimah, saya tuh maleeeesss banget karena anggapan saya itu kalo cewek berjilbab kudu alim, kalem, serius, kaku, gak boleh ketawa ngakak, jaim, jawa (jaga wibawa) dan seribu image salah lainnya. sampai saya sempat ikut2an setuju dengan pendapat “sebelum menjilbabkan tubuh, mau menjilbabkan hati dulu” tapi ternyata itu bukanlah pendapat yang benar karena hanyalah alasan yang mencari-cari pembenaran.

until one day in Ramadhan 2001, saya diajak i’tikaf dan saya berdoa agar dimudahkan melaksanakan kewajiban yang berat yaitu berjilbab…kapanpun Allah ijinkan saya menutup aurat tsb. Alhamdulillah setelah itu, saya gak ragu dan mantap berjilbab, tepatnya setelah lebaran….ada perasaan nyaman dan aman. Saya gak takut menjadi orang lain setelah berjilbab, karena Yonna adalah Yonna, cuma lebih baik dari sebelumnya…mudah2an. Walau berjilbab (sekarang saya lebih suka menyebutnya dengan berbusana muslimah) tapi saya gak harus jadi alim, kaku, gak suka bercanda, sok suci, dll….saya tetap manusia biasa…dengan berbusana muslimah gak berarti saya menjadi malaikat, toh saya tetep manusia yang penuh salah dan dosa. Tapi diharapkan dengan berbusana muslimah, i will be better than yesterdays amin.

saya sadar bahwa dengan menutup aurat tidak berarti menutup diri dari pergaulan, tidak berarti menutup rejeki, tidak berarti menutup pikiran dari hal-hal baru di luar sana, tidak berarti terisolasi dari hal-hal indah di luar sana…justru yang harus diisolasi adalah emosi dan hawa nafsu…maksutnya dikendalikan gitu :)

dengan berbusana muslimah berarti elu menyayangi dan menghormati diri elu sendiri…salam :)

ikutan komentar…

pipit : setuju banget, respect is beyond religion and fashion. saya pake jilbab, tapi saya nggak menganggap temen-temen saya yang lain yang ga pake jilbab atau malah pake baju yang seksi nggak pantas dihormati. mau pake jilbab juga, kalo ketemunya cowok jahat ya sama aja…

yonna: bener tuh…pake jilbab bukan berarti harus alim. kenapa sih harus di stereotipin begitu? saya ngerasain banget deh, karena pake jilbab orang-orang suka komentar sinis kalo saya ketawa ngakak, atau suka musik rock, atau tau banyak kata makian, atau ikut organisasi yang pulangnya malem. padahal apa hubungannya coba?

kalo saya sih…pake jilbab karena wajib. jadi nanti ga disiksa karena ga pake jilbab. alim ga alim sih pilihan…ngga alim juga nggak papa, kan yang nanggung dosanya kita sendiri…

Yonna: Terima kasih buat sharing pengalamannya. Setuju tuh, memakai jilbab bukan berarti perempuan tidak bisa gaul dan gila2an dong, hehe.

Zahra: Definisi alim sendiri kan bisa bervariasi. Alim bukan berarti tidak boleh bergaul dan jadi individu yang kuper. Saya salut sih melihat para perempuan berjilbab di Indonesia, kok bisa gak kepanasan yah padahal udara bener-bener bikin gerah?

Hahaha Tasa bisa aja nanyanya :lol: saya juga dulu heran kok itu cewek betah pake celana panjang/rok panjang, baju panjang, jilbab padahal panasnya Jakarta minta ambruk. Sempat nanya ma mereka dan jawabannya beragam ada yang menasihati, tersungging atau menanggapinya dengan candaan. Tapi pas saya coba sendiri, weh bener panas juga nih?! Walhasil penampilan perdana saya harus disertai kipas atau buku supaya tetep sejuk, maklum naik turun kendaraan umum maunya full angin :mrgreen:

Tapi lama-lama biasa aja, kalo udara lagi dingin karena hujan melulu, busana muslimah bisa menghangatkan. Kayak puasa aja, kalo tidak dibiasakan ya laper, haus…jadi pakek jilbab/busana muslimah harus dibiasakan dan harus ikhlas biar gak kepanasan…ya ampun sist, kita kan cuma pake jilbab bukan pake kompor..iya juga yak :mrgreen:

Iya, kok bisa pada tahan ama udara Jakarta yang panasnya bukan main. Apalagi buat mereka yang harus menggunakan kendaraan umum tiap hari, bener-bener salut deh. Yonna sendiri pertama kali pakai harus bawa-bawa kipas kemana-mana, sekalian aja nenteng AC. Hehe.

Hebat deh.

bersyukurlah Tasa gak perlu pakek jilbab sampe kapanpun itu :mrgreen:

kita-kita muslimah Jakarta pada kreatif kok, kalo kegerahan tinggal ngadem di mushollah/mesjid yang sepi laki-laki (sambil buka jilbab) ato leyeh2 di kostan temen, kalo lagi di perjalanan tinggal mampir di mall, plaza tuk cari AC ato buru2 pulang ke rumah sekalian.

Deuh Tasa bisa aja hehehe…emang panasnya Jakarta ampe segitunya apah….masih lebih panas kompor bro?! :lol: :mrgreen:

hmmm…iya dari dulu juga suka ditanya, gak panas? Yahh..udah biasa sih, gimana dong? Soalnya saya pake jilbabnya dari kecil, pas TK. Ga sengaja itu juga, Balikpapan kan panas juga, terus liat bunda kok kayanya ademm…jadi minta pake juga deh. Bunda pasti seneng tuh, ga usah nyuruh2 anaknya lagi pas gede. Hihihi. Jadi saya nggak tau gimana rasanya gak pake jilbab, jadi ya biasa aja…

Yonna : emang segitunya panasnya jakarta! Parah deh paraahhh…ibaratnya kaya masuk keruangan yang atepnya dari lampu tembak! Temen saya malah ada yang migrain tiap lagi ke Jakarta. huhehehe…

@Zahra
waaaaww pake jilbab dari TK?! Amazing!! Hebat!! Saya aja baru 6 taun hehe :mrgreen:

hehehe…jakarta panas dan rusuh :mrgreen: kalo temennya zahra suka migren maka gak heran….lah kita nih para warga jakarta dari migren ampe mati rasa ngadepin itu semua hehe :lol:

@yonna

Selamat deh, baru pake jilbab 6 taon.
Ane belom….
Waktu masih sekolah doang !
SD Islam swasta pun itu cuma 2 tahun 2 caturwulan.
Sisanya pindahan dan ngga pake jilbab kecuali hari2 tertentu aja.
SMP, waktu pelajaran Agama Islam sama hari Jum’at. SMK, tiap hari pake, tapi di rumah engga.

Tetapi … tetaplah sebagai wanita yang muslimah, Insya Allah … harus menjaga adab berpakaian yang sesopan-sopannya ….

wah, baca artikel dengan “bahasa planet” ajah udah memakan banyak waktu (tapi gak tega berhenti karna topiknya menarik), apalagi baca komen bejibun berbahasa “dunia lain”!

yonna, gw suka komenmu yang atas2 itu tuh…
imo sih, jilbab dan sejenisnya itu bikin dunia terkesan dikuasai kaum adam. bener tuh, yang dibilang kak tasa bahwa yang menilai cantik nggaknya cewek udah pasti cowok. eh, tapi cowok juga berusaha berpenampilan menarik buat cewek kan?
yang penting sih, apa yang mau dipake tuh cewek emang bener2 pilihan dia tanpa hasutan dari orang2 sekitarnya. kalo mau pake jilbab, pakelah karena suka dan nyaman. mau pake bikini, juga begitu. dan inget, sesuaikan sama lingkungan dan tempat!

sebenerya pakaian itu adalah benda untuk menutupi aurat termasuk jilbab. tapi.. suka suka aja sieh… tergantung orangnya.. kalo mau dosa telanjang juga boleh.. kalo pengen dapat suitan dari cowo bugil aja di jalan raya..paling kamu dikira orang gila,tapi dosanya tanggung sendiri yach…. kadang nech ada juga cewek yang emang sengaja ngelihatin bentuk tubuhnya dengan maksud pengin cari perhatian cowok, itu namanya cewek gatel….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[...] “Karena aku objek seksmu”, sets an example. It is, at least in my opinion, a very balanced, clever and even cunning column about the dress code of women in Indonesian Islam. Tasa tells his fellow believers that he is with them on this generally and in principle – in his view Indonesian women are doing best if they stick to demure dressing or even to dressing primly, veils included. But at the same time he presents the grounds and reasons why westerners criticize this. He even kind of acknowledges that sexy dressing is not equal to immorality. The message being: western style women who dress sexy are different but not bad. In general I conclude from this and many other articles that (a) there exists a enormous gap between the Indonesian reality ( in which sex and sexuality play a large part) and the official moral dogma’s and ( b) that an almost obsessive -but furtive- argument about and interest in sex related subjects, is going on in all veins of the society. [...]

i think you neglected an extremely important matter here: how women regard women objectification. it sounds like you put western media and muslims in opposition in deciding women’s position; that is, to be ‘objectified’ or not.

what about letting them decide for themselves? would you respect a woman’s completely independent, full-consent decision to be sexually objectified? is the issue women empowerment or blind protectionism?

does jessica alba actually feel objectified? do the women in jilbab feel completely secure with it?

as a woman i do not consider sexual qualities equivalent to oppression, neither do i translate jilbab as protection to my rights.

Yonna: Iya, untung saya tidak perlu memakai jibab. Ha-ha-ha. Tapi dinginnya hati pasti bisa mendinginkan tubuh dan kepala yah.

Zahra: Wow hebat banget dari TK. Berarti udah biasa banget yah, udah gak kerasa. Yonna bisa belajar banyak tuh.

Izmi: Didukung semangatnya yah!

Areta: Bener banget, di saat yang bersamaan cowok juga terpengaruh kok dengan apa komentar cewek terhadap mereka. Tapi mungkin kalau cewek lebih parah tuntutannya kali yah.

Zeta: Cewek gatel? Garukin donk ach, he-he-he.

Sylvia: I think that’s really tricky. You want to let women completely independent? Do you, as a woman, think that would be possible? Men too can’t be 100 percent independent. Everyone is influenced by everything. Thanks for the comment.

Tasa: betul….meski gerah tapi kalo kita tenang dan gak nggerutu toh lama2 gerahnya hilang juga :)

Tambahan….

I learn big thing, bahwa setelah berbusana muslimah/berjilbab tidak menjamin 100% pria akan segan dan menghormati kita. Bahkan kalo dasarnya buaya darat melihat cewek jilbab yang cantik pasti dianggapnya tantangan karena dengan menutup rapat auratnya malah mbikin penasaran. Contohnya saya!!!! Hahaha sok cantik banget, peace :mrgreen: Tapi emang sih pernah dilabain padahal udah dibungkus rapi gini….bener2 kampr** itu cowok :lol: kalo gue genit boleh deh dilabain, lah wong diam aja hhhh capek deh! Tapi cantik gak cantik, kalo tu cowok dasarnya gatel tetep aja brengsek bakal ngelabain cewek berjilbab sekalipun. Yah…yang penting kita menjalani kewajiban dan ikhlas, mau sejahat apapun orang/cowok itu urusannya, selama gak ganggu biarin aja, kalo ganggu laporin polisi aja sekalian biar kapok!!! :mrgreen:

Iya setuju banget tuh, yang namanya cowok brengsek pake jilbab juga disikat. He-he. Tapi pastinya lebih sedikit pengalaman2 kayak begitu buat cewek berjilbab kan? Makanya kemana-mana bawa pentungan atau semprotan merica.

Tasa: ya alhamdulillah, setelah berjilbab emang lebih sedikit mengalami kasus pelecehan seksual. yah ketauan deh pernah jadi korban cowok2 lenjeh :mrgreen: mungkin karena tampang rinto melankolis gini jadi sasaran empuk apa ya??? teganya!!!

tapi gak perlu bawa pentungan, nanti disangka satpam :mrgreen:

guebukanmonyet:
walah jangan blajar sama saya deh…anomali gini. saya kan dari kecil, jadi nggak ngerasa beratnya dari ga pake trus pake, nggak ngerasa tekanan sgala macem pas mikir, ngambil keputusan, dan pas udah make…jadi sebenernya saya beruntung tapi nggak bisa ngasih nasehat..hehehe

bawa pentungan?? waduuhh…berat mas…males. hehehe.
langsung hajar aja pake tangan… :mrgreen:

mbak yonna:
betul sekaliiii!! ga jaminan cowo bakal respek. kayanya saya sering banget deh maka tangan ato kaki buat menangkal mereka…hahah :mrgreen: . Trus kemaren pas jalan-jalan di Bandung baru aja ngalamin! waaa…nakutin! untung perginya sama temen-temen cowok…jadi ada yang jagain. tapi saya juga harus mengakui sih kalau pake jilbab sekarang nggak jaminan baik juga…

Wah gw seneng sekarang udah banyak cewe2 yang berjilbab, karena bagi gue itu adalah suatu kemajuan dalam Islam apalagi waktu gw pulang kepadang kemaren. Subhanallah.

assalamualaikum…

cant agree more… please allow me to quote:

“its not how high they wore their skirt, but how low you use your brain”

i’m a moderate moslem, i wont discuss about islam and its regulation.

for me, my religion are only to be interpret by my self. if any question to be asked, i have the chance to ask it 5 times a day, and more on ramadhan.

i do not dare to share my midget knowledge with other. maybe in future to come… but that future would not be anywhere near 60 years from now.

=)
cheerio

waalaikum salam.

Jilbab ada dalam perintah Allah, didalam Al Quran
Baca di sini :
http://hatta-indonesia.blogspot.com/2008/02/tercantum-dalam-al-quran-berjilbab-itu.html

> Kita masih hidup,
> Kita boleh menaati atau mengingkari ?
> Kita boleh memilih jalur neraka atau Negeri indah yang dijanjikan Allah ?
Seperti halnya :
>Kita boleh terjun ke jurang atau menikmati keindahan alam-Nya?

using a veil is a choice 4 women in islam, a must-to-do choice i guess…
Burqa is a part of arabian culture not an entity of islam itself. but some muslims make it as an identity of their islam. you know, sometimes i think that they misunderstand our religion by themselves ^^

Seru juga dan panjang diskusinya. Kalo saya sudah pernah ngerasain benci sama anak pake jilbab krn yg pernah saya jumpai mereka kumuh, udik, bodoh, dan semua stereotip negatif lainnya. Tapi ketika SMA ketemu dengan sosok2 sebaliknya. Ditambah tau ayatnya jadi deh berubah sikap 180%. Serunya pake jilbab (eh..kerudung kali yah maksudnya, yg buat nutup kepala dan menjulur hingga menutup dada itu kan? Soalnya kalo jilbab definisinya lain lagi) mulai ‘diintimidasi’ keluarga, sampai petugas kecamatan waktu ngurus KTP, pegawai kepolisian waktu ngurus SIM, sampai dikirimi 2 surat kaleng yang menakutkan krn isinya ancaman dan gambar2 porno hanya krn surat pembaca menulis saya dimuat di surat kabar. Seru banget!
Eh, kalau masalah panas di Jakarta, kayaknya gak ada separuhnya panas di surabaya deh. Cobain sendiri kalo gak percaya ^_^

kayanya ga enak deh kalo gak kasih komen lagi disini (udah numpang nge-link juga) hehehe

Gue tertarik ma kalimat elo yang ini dan sekian lama baru ngeh hahaha:

“I admire your dedication, your pride, and your inner beauty. I want you to be proud of what you believe, and I want you to shout these words to the world, “Karena aku bukan objek seksmu!”

Pertama-tama, gak mungkin deh gue teriak2 gitu kepada dunia, mau ditangkep satpam apa?! :mrgreen:

btw, makasih banyak ma simpati dan dukungan Tasa terhadap muslimah yang berjilbab :)

@Ria Fariana
saya sering membaca perjuangan muslimah yang ingin hijrah ke busana muslimah/head scarf/jilbab/hijab, salut banget menghadapi segala rintangan yang menghadang dan tetap istiqomah menjadi muslim yang kaffah. termasuk buat Ria :)

saya sempat menjadi korban ketidakadilan peraturan waktu ingin mengurus ijazah S1 yang mensyaratkan bahwa harus memperlihatkan telinga. hah? kita kan pake jilbab dan walau pake jilbab, wajah kita keliatan jelas kok?! dan untungnya ijazah tetap keluar tanpa harus mengorbankan prinsip :)

Menutup aurat itu wajib bagi setiap umat muslimah. jadi yang merasa dirinya itu muslimah,pakailah jilbab… ingat ya………… hidup itu cuma sementara. jadi gak ada yang perlu kita baggain. nex time………..

Ary: Apa kabar bro? Kok gak nongol lagi neh?

Tim Sakurai: Thanks for the link.

Alin: That’s indeed true. Thanks for pointing that out.

Ria: Yeah I know, I’ve been to Surabaya and it’s bloody hot. Haha. I can feel your pain.

Yonna: Wah promosi nih? Hehe.

Ewien: Seeep.

Hi.. first of all, salam kenal dulu. What a very lovely posting.

(haduh, saking banyaknya baca komen2 diatas, saya jadi lupa deh tuh mo komentar apa, hihihi… :-) ).

Oke, intinya aja yang tadi sempat terlintas dalam benak saya… Wanita dalam memilih berbusana, harus menampilkan jati dirinya yang sebenarnya. Buat saya, ketika memilih pakaian, saya tidak melakukannya untuk urang lain, tetapi to please my self… bahwa saya merasa confort dengan pakaian ini.

Gak asyik khan kalo demi terlihat alim, lantas kita berbusana tertutup… tapi jauh didalam lubuk hati kita… kita gak nyaman dengan pakaian itu… dan selalu berfikir, “Gosh, it’s so not me”…

Demikian juga yang berbusana TERBUKA, tapi jauh dalam lubuk hatinya ada rasa RISIH, gak nyaman, gelisah, gak sejahtra… menurut saya ini namanya menjajah diri sendiri.

Kecantikan bukan dilihat dari apa yang kita pakai… tapi apa yang kita pikirkan, apa yang ada dalam hati kita dan apa yang kita sudah lakukan bagi sesama… walaupun penampilan fisik juga tetap perlu dijaga.

It’s all about body, mind and soul… not on what we wear…

(halah… kehilangan ide ditengah jalan… maaf yach, hehehe… :-)

am agrre with your ideas to compare Muslim woman with Western woman theres. Still give us some ideas always update okay……..

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